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  1. They are talking about two different things that have changed in society over time really.
    (1) fame. Which is largely a byproduct of extreme wealth or a public facing job. In the age of social media everyone, famous or not are vastly more accessible than they were.
    (2) gender politics. We live in an age where particularly in social media land everything male is toxic just by definition of being male associated, and everything is men's fault.

    These two things combined are what they are discussing. It's interesting to hear their takes on it as they are both male and are both exactly the right age to have experienced all this as young men, but also again now whilst they are still "young enough" to engage but old enough to remember. You couldn't have this conversation as easily with an 80 year old male celebrity or a 25 year old celebrity.

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