Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1151: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtxzMb9CpTM
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Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1151: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtxzMb9CpTM
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Free will? Gimme a break!
Cause and effect doesn't exist.
Grow up.
I think "Free Will" is an invention. If you can pull neurons out of a mouse and put it into a robot and the robot moves accordingly, how many would you say qualifies as free will and how many qualifies as determinism?
我們除了做出各種行為之外，還有另一個重要的部分，就是給予或瞭解意義，物理定律或許可以控制我們的行為，但是絕對無法控制意義的產生，因為物理定律根本沒有關於意義的任何方程式或定義，所以我們藉著語言、行為、表情、創作或各種方式來闡述意義或是理解他人的意義時，這是完全不受物理定律控制，只能由我們的自由意志決定。
因為現在有AI也可以說話，做出類似人類的動作，所以必須進一步論證，我們所做的跟AI做的到底是否一樣？AI主要是來自算力增加，並使用多層次和概率，使其可以像是人類般的對話，甚至我們可以理解AI話語中的意義。但是真的是這樣嗎？當我們說出一句話時，傳遞出去的只有特定形式的波長和頻率，然後被對方接收到，這其中並沒有意義一起被傳遞過去，因為物理世界中沒有意義，且AI是利用數學來決定要講什麼，而數學會去除一切意義，因此用數學計算出來的對答、其實都沒有任何意義，AI並不懂得意義。既然如此，我們理解的話語、行動、顏色的意義，到底是哪裡來的，其實是我們的意識在小黑屋中自行生成。所以就算外在的世界沒有意義，我們依然可以幫忙賦予意義，同樣的，就算AI講的話沒有任何意義，我們當然也可以持續腦補出豐富的意義，所以更像是在自言自語。
1:54 "Every person in rhe world, no matter how anti-free will they are, talk about people as if they makw decisions"
Yh duh. Ofc we make decisions all the time. Who's denying that? But are they free? No
If "will" and "i" are brain parts and functions that fire due to causes such as laws of physics it still doesnt change the fact that descision making has a cause that We call "i" and we can consider that as "i made a descision freely". Thus the very fact we can reduce every action to a biological atomical level cause doesnt change anything really because the "i" and the "descision making" can still be considered as a free willing action since the "i" brain part which is the real "i" and the descision making brain part which is "my choice" did it. Its truly just a language game. Thus can we really justify and say that its "fated" or "willed by The i brain part which is what we call me"? Even fully mapping the brain wont change that fact