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  1. Judaism doesn’t care about what other people do until the other people are their own kids. Imagine being a little gay kid in a Jewish community, I doubt it’s as much of a free choice for them what beliefs they buy into. Especially from what I’ve seen of the orthodox Jewish communities in NY it’s definitely not an easy choice to say you believe differently.

  2. You can actually see Shapiro losing composure when he tries to interpret a faithless denial of the Gospel.
    It seems like he knows that either way, Joe and his audience are not buying. Which says to me, the Truth is being suppressed by one that deems himself worthy, and that Joe, he seems to need to justify homosexuality for himself, it seems. 🤷‍♂️

  3. To Christian parents of LGBT children, and for churches to consider: It gives me such great joy when Christian parents share how unconditionally they have learned to love their children; that their children are not flawed, their children are not lost, eternal sinners, any more than the person who is divorced and remarried is a lost, eternal sinner.

    There is so much more condemnation in the Bible for the one who divorces, for the one who commits adultery and fornication, and if the divorced person still has an ex-spouse who is living, does the bible not say they not committing adultery every day in their new marriage?

    Jesus makes an exception for the one who was cheated on (sexual immorality) by their spouse, or one who was deserted by an unbelieving spouse, but what if they, themselves, were the one who cheated and broke up their marriage? God gives no exception, aside from the forgiveness of sins, and our redemption in Christ.

    How can a twice or thrice-divorced pastor tell our LGBTQ child that they are lost unless they dedicate themselves to continually remaining in celibacy, and live their entire life without an intimate companion and family, when this pastor is not willing to carry the same biblical-sounding burden?

    Is there not so much more in the Bible forbidding remarriage, which God calls adultery, than there is about homosexual behaviour? Yes, Christ forgave the woman caught in adultery, saying “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more,” but directly before that He commanded, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” The bible teaches, in Romans 11-28, that there is not one of us who are without sin, and we are not saved by our own acts of righteousness, but by “God’s righteousness… that He might be just and the Justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”

    So why do we want to cast weighty stones of judgment, rejection and anger at homosexual behaviour and not the adultery of cheating, divorce and remarriage, which Christ condemned much more harshly? I do not understand this dichotomy.

    After 13 years of the Holy Spirit working diligently on my heart and mind, teaching me from the scriptures by His illumination, and by many Bible teachers turning their hearts towards the Holy Spirit's inspiration and away from their formerly stone-casting stance toward homosexuals, I have now firmly come to believe the Holy Spirit wants to teach us a more Christlike way.

    Christ told The Pharisees in Matthew 19 that Moses allowed them to divorce because their hearts were stubborn, but God calls them to a higher way. The Lord is full of grace and mercy for each and every one of us, so when we turn to Him and give our lives over to Him, His redemptive Grace can come and begin to guide our hearts toward holiness.

    We have no right, as parents or as church members, to demand perfection and holiness at the moment of profession of faith, as regeneration and transformation by the Holy Spirit takes time, and is not instantaneous, except for the case of a rare miracle. Our Lord has walked as a human being, and He understands our humanity. This is why His Word tells us we are all sinners, and Christ died for us while we are sinners.

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