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  1. Having been in 4 serious long term relationships (2 of which were live in partners) I have to say the heart break is nothing until kids are involved. Thinking back on all the heart break its nothing compared to losing the right to see tour child every day. I could less anout women or even dating ever again, but to take the kids, its just evil

  2. I learned in my early 20's. Working with Co-workers who would always say. "My Girl has me by the balls with Child Support". And I would breathe a sigh of relief. That I wasn't in that position. Also my ex gf. I told her up front. I do not want kids. And when we got intimate. I wrapped it up. We break up after a few years. She has a kid with a new guy. And calls me up. Asking me to take her back. Because it's not working out with him. I told her "No, I told you what I wanted, you made your bed, now you lye in it". And she is still with him. And he treats her like crap.

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