Early Adventist slept not knowing this trinity thing,it is unbiblical three co-eternal beings that makes one God,how now. The bible talks about one God and one Lord Jesus Christ, there is the holy spirit of God..If the holy spirit was a third party the bible would have refered to him as god the spirit but that is nowhere in ghe the bible,we have the holy spirit of God. The current Adventist abandoned fundamental principles deifting from the spirit of prophecy and adopting roman Catholic doctrines so sad that we nolonger believe in the bible and bible alone.
COMMENTS ON DOUG BATCHELOR’S, EXPLORING THE TRINITY: ONE GOD OR THREE Pastor Doug’s presentation made four main points: 1. Jesus always existed. 2. Jesus is fully equal with the Father. 3. The Holy Spirit is a unique person. 4. Mention is made of three distinct entities in certain benedictions and salutations. I would have addressed most of these points directly or indirectly in my previous post. But, for clarity, I will address each point briefly as follows:
1. Jesus died and therefore did not always exist – “I am he that liveth, and was dead” (Rev. 1:18). His Father gave Him life – "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself" (John 5:26).
2. Jesus never claimed full equality with God, His Father, at any point in His existence. Before He came to earth, His Father anointed and appointed Him – “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9; see also verse 2). While He was on earth, He said “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). After sin is finished, He will still be subject to His Father – “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:28).
3. There is no issue with the Holy Spirit being a unique person. The Holy Spirit, the Comforter, like the Angel of Revelation 18 who lightens the earth with his glory during the latter rain, is someone who is sent and acts on instruction – not a God-Being to be worshipped – “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” (John 16:13).
4. There is no issue with mention being made of three distinct entities. The issue is the relative position of each. The Father has no co-equal. He is “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see” (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). He is the One that the Bible refers to when it says there is one God and none else. It is talking about Him as the only Supreme Being. There aren’t three supreme beings, only One. All other beings are subject to Him. Further, the third entity is not always one Holy Spirit but many, for example, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne” (Rev.1:4). These seven spirits are later described as “seven lamps of fire” (Rev. 4:5) and also as “the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:2). It is interesting how the Bible explains itself if we would only take the time to consider it – Jesus sent His angel, (the Spirit) to His bride (the church), and this is what He said, “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come.” (Rev. 22:16, 17). The Spirit and the bride are the same ones mentioned before – the angel and the churches. Here are the three again, “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things” (1 Tim. 5:21). There are many others. These are the same ones who were present at the creation – “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? …. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7).
It is time we take stock of God’s warnings to His people about the omega of deadly heresies and stop promoting this doctrine of pagan origin, brought into Christianity by Rome but was rejected by the pioneers of the Advent Movement. It denies the most fundamental truth of the gospel that God loved us to the point of giving His only begotten Son to die for us, and not a fellow God who really cannot die, pretending to die.
The holy spirit, the spirit of God, spirit of Christ is the same.
It is God’s personal power and influence at work. The terms “Holy Spirit,” “Spirit of God,” “Spirit of your Father,” etc. are used synonymously: Matthew 10:20 and Luke 12:12 and Mark 13:11-13; 1 Corinthians 2:11
The Holy spirit is both the spirit of God the Father and spirit of Christ. God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ share the same spirit.
John 14 :23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and "WE" will come to him and make Our home with him.
After Jesus ressurection and was exalted by God to sit at His right hand, the Spirit also became the personal influence of Jesus who baptizes us with God’s power (Matthew 3:11; Luke 24:49; John 1:33; 1 Corinthians 15:45; John 14:16-23, 26; Acts 1:4, 2:33; Romans 8:9).
The Holy Spirit is also “the spirit of truth” which enables us to know truth and proclaim it (John 14:17, 15:26, 16:13).
The Holy Spirit empowers us to be the Lord’s witnesses (Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-11; Hebrews 2:4).
The Holy Spirit has been given to believers as a deposit of our future inheritance in the Kingdom of God (Ephesians 1:13-14; 2 Corinthians 1:22)
Jesus will be with us through His Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. – 2 Cor 3:17
Early Adventist slept not knowing this trinity thing,it is unbiblical three co-eternal beings that makes one God,how now. The bible talks about one God and one Lord Jesus Christ, there is the holy spirit of God..If the holy spirit was a third party the bible would have refered to him as god the spirit but that is nowhere in ghe the bible,we have the holy spirit of God.
The current Adventist abandoned fundamental principles deifting from the spirit of prophecy and adopting roman Catholic doctrines so sad that we nolonger believe in the bible and bible alone.
COMMENTS ON DOUG BATCHELOR’S, EXPLORING THE TRINITY: ONE GOD OR THREE
Pastor Doug’s presentation made four main points:
1. Jesus always existed.
2. Jesus is fully equal with the Father.
3. The Holy Spirit is a unique person.
4. Mention is made of three distinct entities in certain benedictions and salutations.
I would have addressed most of these points directly or indirectly in my previous post. But, for clarity, I will address each point briefly as follows:
1. Jesus died and therefore did not always exist – “I am he that liveth, and was dead” (Rev. 1:18). His Father gave Him life – "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself" (John 5:26).
2. Jesus never claimed full equality with God, His Father, at any point in His existence. Before He came to earth, His Father anointed and appointed Him – “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” (Heb. 1:9; see also verse 2). While He was on earth, He said “my Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). After sin is finished, He will still be subject to His Father – “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Cor. 15:28).
3. There is no issue with the Holy Spirit being a unique person. The Holy Spirit, the Comforter, like the Angel of Revelation 18 who lightens the earth with his glory during the latter rain, is someone who is sent and acts on instruction – not a God-Being to be worshipped – “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak” (John 16:13).
4. There is no issue with mention being made of three distinct entities. The issue is the relative position of each. The Father has no co-equal. He is “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see” (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). He is the One that the Bible refers to when it says there is one God and none else. It is talking about Him as the only Supreme Being. There aren’t three supreme beings, only One. All other beings are subject to Him. Further, the third entity is not always one Holy Spirit but many, for example, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne” (Rev.1:4). These seven spirits are later described as “seven lamps of fire” (Rev. 4:5) and also as “the seven angels which stood before God” (Rev. 8:2). It is interesting how the Bible explains itself if we would only take the time to consider it – Jesus sent His angel, (the Spirit) to His bride (the church), and this is what He said, “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come.” (Rev. 22:16, 17). The Spirit and the bride are the same ones mentioned before – the angel and the churches. Here are the three again, “I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things” (1 Tim. 5:21). There are many others. These are the same ones who were present at the creation – “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? …. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4-7).
It is time we take stock of God’s warnings to His people about the omega of deadly heresies and stop promoting this doctrine of pagan origin, brought into Christianity by Rome but was rejected by the pioneers of the Advent Movement. It denies the most fundamental truth of the gospel that God loved us to the point of giving His only begotten Son to die for us, and not a fellow God who really cannot die, pretending to die.
I wish Gino Jennings would grasp this
The holy spirit, the spirit of God, spirit of Christ is the same.
It is God’s personal power and influence at work. The terms “Holy Spirit,” “Spirit of God,” “Spirit of your Father,” etc. are used synonymously:
Matthew 10:20 and Luke 12:12 and Mark 13:11-13; 1 Corinthians 2:11
The Holy spirit is both the spirit of God the Father and spirit of Christ. God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ share the same spirit.
John 14 :23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and "WE" will come to him and make Our home with him.
After Jesus ressurection and was exalted by God to sit at His right hand, the Spirit also became the personal influence of Jesus who baptizes us with God’s power (Matthew 3:11; Luke 24:49; John 1:33; 1 Corinthians 15:45; John 14:16-23, 26; Acts 1:4, 2:33; Romans 8:9).
The Holy Spirit is also “the spirit of truth” which enables us to know truth and proclaim it (John 14:17, 15:26, 16:13).
The Holy Spirit empowers us to be the Lord’s witnesses (Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-11; Hebrews 2:4).
The Holy Spirit has been given to believers as a deposit of our future inheritance in the Kingdom of God (Ephesians 1:13-14; 2 Corinthians 1:22)
Jesus will be with us through His Spirit, the Holy Spirit.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. –
2 Cor 3:17
The trinity doctrine unite the Catholic Church, adventist and hinduism.
Catholic and Adventist = trinity
Hindu = Trimurti (Sanskrit: “three forms”) in Hinduism, triad of the three gods Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.
Great achievement for the adventist, congrats !