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Watchers Daniel 4 Explained!! They are NOT angels!! The degree comes from the THRONE!!

Watchers Daniel 4, The chapter is actually FULL of the Trinity>>>Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

The Watchers are the Father and the Son of the Trinity, not angels. The book of Enoch and 2nd temple liturature are misleading and give a Jewish mindset of Daniel 4. Christians should view this Christ minded and with the Trinity included.

Let's look into this chapter, first with the verses where Watcher/Watchers are used, which is used 3 times is the chapter, Let's look into this divided up in three sections (A, B, and C)

SECTION A: Watchers/Holy Ones used Three times each pointing to a Trinity in Daniel 4 and are paired together.

13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a WATCHER, a holy one, came down from heaven.

17 "The sentence is by the decree of the WATCHERS, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

23 And because the king saw a WATCHER, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Chop down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump of its roots in the earth, bound with a band of iron and bronze, in the tender grass of the field, and let him be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven periods of time pass over him,’

Actually the Watchers would be the Father and Son, they are the Holy ones, Not angels. Daniel tells us in Daniel 4 :24 "this is the interpretation, O king: It is a decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king," The king and lord of Daniel was king Nebuchadnezzar.

The answer of the "decree of the Watchers" in Daniel 4:13, a person has to continue reading Daniel's interpretation and the answer of who the Watchers are is found in Daniel 4:24>>>"it is a decree of the Most High". So it is impossible for angels to be the Watchers, becasue angels are NEVER referred to as the 'Most High", the Title and Status belong to God/Elohim pointing to the Father and the Son. When looking at Daniel 4: 13, 17, and 23, Watchers/Watcher and Holy Ones/Holy One is always "PAIRED Together" meaning this is about the Father and the Son.

This Lord God Himself is the ONE who the decree comes from, right from the throne of God, The Kingom of Heaven. The throne is of the Father in Heaven and the Holy One (Watcher) that came down from Heaven would be the Son (Jesus)>>>>Daniel 4:13. Remember this is all in Nebuchadnezzar's head in a dream/vision that he saw while he was laying in his bed. God would speak and communicate with Nebuchadnezzar through visions and dreams. The Bible gives NO mention of angels having authority to to have decisions and make decrees, Only the Father and Son who share in that authority make the decree that is made in Heaven that come from the Throne of God. Angels may have witnessed this in Heaven, but have NO Authority.

This explains the plurality of the Watchers which would be the Father (Watcher/Holy One from the throne and the Son (Watcher/Holy One coming down from Heaven. Notice that Holy Ones are uses also 3 times and are linked to the Watchers>>>>Daniel 4:13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a WATCHER, a Holy One, came down from heaven.

17 "The sentence is by the decree of the WATCHERS, the decision by the word of the Holy Ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

23a And because the king saw a WATCHER, a Holy One, coming down from heaven and saying,

SECTION B: "spirit of the holy gods" is used Three Times pointing to a Trinity in Daneil 4

8 At last Daniel came in before me—he who was named Belteshazzar after the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods—and I told him the dream, saying,

9 “O Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you and that no mystery is too difficult for you, tell me the visions of my dream that I saw and their interpretation.

18 This dream I, King Nebuchadnezzar, saw. And you, O Belteshazzar, tell me the interpretation, because all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known to me the interpretation, but you are able, for the spirit of the holy gods is in you.”

Looking at these verse brings up another question about the Holy Spirit, these verse in Daniel 4, it mentions 3 times that the Spirit is in Daniel, so the Holy Spirit is indwelling Daniel.

1) " in whom is the spirit of the holy gods">>>>Verse 8

2) "I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you" >>>>>Verse 9

3) " but you are able, for the spirit of the holy gods is in you.”>>>>>Verse 18

All three of these times Nebuchadnezzar is telling this to Daniel.

Notice how this is written "spirit of the holy gods is IN you." Does no say "upon" or "overshadowing you.", clearly says the "Spirit" is in Daniel.

As Christians we are told that the Holy Spirit never indwelt in the OT, but only in the NT.

SECTION C: Most High/King of Heaven

Most High 6 times is used and then followed and ends with King of Heaven used 1 time in Daniel 4, when a person totals this up is the number SEVEN, which is the complete number of God.

2 It has seemed good to me to show the signs and wonders that the >>>>Most High God<<<<< has done for me.

17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the >>>>Most High<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

24 this is the interpretation, O king: It is a decree of the >>>>Most High,<<<<< which has come upon my lord the king,

25 that you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. You shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and you shall be wet with the dew of heaven, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, till you know that the >>>>Most High<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.

32 and you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. And you shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, until you know that the >>>>>Most High<<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.”

34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the>>>>>Most High,<<<<< and praised and honored him who lives forever,

Daniel 4:37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the >>>>>King of Heaven,<<<<< for all his works are right and his ways are just; and those who walk in pride he is able to humble.

Reading thru these verses "Most High (God)" is used 6 times in Daniel 4, verses 2, 17, 24, 25, 32 and 34, then ends with "King of Heaven." used One time, a person adds this up to the Number 7, shich is the complete number of God. All this is in Pointing to and is in Reference to God Himself. The Father is God, The Son (Jesus) is also God.

Only other time in scripture watcher is used is in Job 7:20>>> "If I sin, what do I do to you, you Watcher of mankind? Why have you made me your mark? Why have I become a burden to you?"

In this passage of scripture the Watcher is God.

In Summary it is very clear that the Trinity is present in Daniel 4, the Watchers/Holy Ones would be God/Elohim who are the Father and the Son (Jesus/Christ) and NOT angels, never have been, angels do NOT have Authority from the Throne and do NOT rule Kingdom of Heaven, that belongs to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit/Spirit of God is indwelling Daniel inspiring Daniel of how to Interpret Nebuchadnezzar's vision. Sad people look to the book of Enoch, which is also called "book of the watchers" and so many are mislead, because the book of enoch is actually a "Jewish Fable., the book of Enoch is "Fools Gold", nothing more than a "Myth."

People that teach angels as watchers and sons of God of the OT as angels, very much live up to what Paul writes in 2 Timothy 4.

3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

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@Sons_of_Thunder. says:

5 June 2024 at 05:58

Watchers Daniel 4 Explained!! They are NOT angels!! The degree comes from the THRONE!!

Watchers Daniel 4, The chapter is actually FULL of the Trinity>>>Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

The Watchers are the Father and the Son of the Trinity, not angels. The book of Enoch and 2nd temple liturature are misleading and give a Jewish mindset of Daniel 4. Christians should view this Christ minded and with the Trinity included.

Let's look into this chapter, first with the verses where Watcher/Watchers are used, which is used 3 times is the chapter, Let's look into this divided up in three sections (A, B, and C)

SECTION A: Watchers/Holy Ones used Three times each pointing to a Trinity in Daniel 4 and are paired together.

13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a WATCHER, a holy one, came down from heaven.

17 "The sentence is by the decree of the WATCHERS, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

23 And because the king saw a WATCHER, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Chop down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump of its roots in the earth, bound with a band of iron and bronze, in the tender grass of the field, and let him be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven periods of time pass over him,’

Actually the Watchers would be the Father and Son, they are the Holy ones, Not angels. Daniel tells us in Daniel 4 :24 "this is the interpretation, O king: It is a decree of the Most High, which has come upon my lord the king," The king and lord of Daniel was king Nebuchadnezzar.

The answer of the "decree of the Watchers" in Daniel 4:13, a person has to continue reading Daniel's interpretation and the answer of who the Watchers are is found in Daniel 4:24>>>"it is a decree of the Most High". So it is impossible for angels to be the Watchers, becasue angels are NEVER referred to as the 'Most High", the Title and Status belong to God/Elohim pointing to the Father and the Son. When looking at Daniel 4: 13, 17, and 23, Watchers/Watcher and Holy Ones/Holy One is always "PAIRED Together" meaning this is about the Father and the Son.

This Lord God Himself is the ONE who the decree comes from, right from the throne of God, The Kingom of Heaven. The throne is of the Father in Heaven and the Holy One (Watcher) that came down from Heaven would be the Son (Jesus)>>>>Daniel 4:13. Remember this is all in Nebuchadnezzar's head in a dream/vision that he saw while he was laying in his bed. God would speak and communicate with Nebuchadnezzar through visions and dreams. The Bible gives NO mention of angels having authority to to have decisions and make decrees, Only the Father and Son who share in that authority make the decree that is made in Heaven that come from the Throne of God. Angels may have witnessed this in Heaven, but have NO Authority.

This explains the plurality of the Watchers which would be the Father (Watcher/Holy One from the throne and the Son (Watcher/Holy One coming down from Heaven. Notice that Holy Ones are uses also 3 times and are linked to the Watchers>>>>Daniel 4:13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a WATCHER, a Holy One, came down from heaven.

17 "The sentence is by the decree of the WATCHERS, the decision by the word of the Holy Ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

23a And because the king saw a WATCHER, a Holy One, coming down from heaven and saying,

SECTION B: "spirit of the holy gods" is used Three Times pointing to a Trinity in Daneil 4

8 At last Daniel came in before me—he who was named Belteshazzar after the name of my god, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods—and I told him the dream, saying,

9 “O Belteshazzar, chief of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you and that no mystery is too difficult for you, tell me the visions of my dream that I saw and their interpretation.

18 This dream I, King Nebuchadnezzar, saw. And you, O Belteshazzar, tell me the interpretation, because all the wise men of my kingdom are not able to make known to me the interpretation, but you are able, for the spirit of the holy gods is in you.”

Looking at these verse brings up another question about the Holy Spirit, these verse in Daniel 4, it mentions 3 times that the Spirit is in Daniel, so the Holy Spirit is indwelling Daniel.

1) " in whom is the spirit of the holy gods">>>>Verse 8

2) "I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you" >>>>>Verse 9

3) " but you are able, for the spirit of the holy gods is in you.”>>>>>Verse 18

All three of these times Nebuchadnezzar is telling this to Daniel.

Notice how this is written "spirit of the holy gods is IN you." Does no say "upon" or "overshadowing you.", clearly says the "Spirit" is in Daniel.

As Christians we are told that the Holy Spirit never indwelt in the OT, but only in the NT.

SECTION C: Most High/King of Heaven

Most High 6 times is used and then followed and ends with King of Heaven used 1 time in Daniel 4, when a person totals this up is the number SEVEN, which is the complete number of God.

2 It has seemed good to me to show the signs and wonders that the >>>>Most High God<<<<< has done for me.

17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the >>>>Most High<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

24 this is the interpretation, O king: It is a decree of the >>>>Most High,<<<<< which has come upon my lord the king,

25 that you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. You shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and you shall be wet with the dew of heaven, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, till you know that the >>>>Most High<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.

32 and you shall be driven from among men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. And you shall be made to eat grass like an ox, and seven periods of time shall pass over you, until you know that the >>>>>Most High<<<<< rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.”

34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the>>>>>Most High,<<<<< and praised and honored him who lives forever,

Daniel 4:37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and extol and honor the >>>>>King of Heaven,<<<<< for all his works are right and his ways are just; and those who walk in pride he is able to humble.

Reading thru these verses "Most High (God)" is used 6 times in Daniel 4, verses 2, 17, 24, 25, 32 and 34, then ends with "King of Heaven." used One time, a person adds this up to the Number 7, shich is the complete number of God. All this is in Pointing to and is in Reference to God Himself. The Father is God, The Son (Jesus) is also God.

Only other time in scripture watcher is used is in Job 7:20>>> "If I sin, what do I do to you, you Watcher of mankind? Why have you made me your mark? Why have I become a burden to you?"

In this passage of scripture the Watcher is God.

In Summary it is very clear that the Trinity is present in Daniel 4, the Watchers/Holy Ones would be God/Elohim who are the Father and the Son (Jesus/Christ) and NOT angels, never have been, angels do NOT have Authority from the Throne and do NOT rule Kingdom of Heaven, that belongs to the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit/Spirit of God is indwelling Daniel inspiring Daniel of how to Interpret Nebuchadnezzar's vision. Sad people look to the book of Enoch, which is also called "book of the watchers" and so many are mislead, because the book of enoch is actually a "Jewish Fable., the book of Enoch is "Fools Gold", nothing more than a "Myth."

People that teach angels as watchers and sons of God of the OT as angels, very much live up to what Paul writes in 2 Timothy 4.

3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

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@henrymontalvo9550 says:

5 June 2024 at 05:58

The Watchers: they like to watch. In college I dated a girl – the daughter of a mega-church pastor – who liked to bring her sorority sisters over to my place to "watch." It was weird at first but I got used to it. She was a SEX FREAK!

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@rackadactal4466 says:

5 June 2024 at 05:58

The watchers are alien beings that’s why Daniel was terrified of what he was shown by the Holy Spirit . They took the king’s mind and he descended into madness , judgment by YHWH for unbelief

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@johnm4581 says:

5 June 2024 at 05:58

I just had an epiphany last night making me think that these watchers what if they were like watching television and that's where they got their name from. Or some ancient form of YouTube?

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@MrTK-uv6vg says:

5 June 2024 at 05:58

who were chaldeans? plz explain

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