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  1. Most meat eaters get enough B12. Quite a lot of it comes from cattle supplements. Even grass fed cattle are given supplements. Many cattle supplements include B12 directly or contain cobalt because cattle can’t synthesise B12 without cobalt and their grass diet is often deficient in a list of components. Wild cattle do not just eat grass.
    The fact that some vegans are deficient in B12 might be an argument for putting B12 in the hydroponic water in say tomato production. I grow my own tomatoes in the summer and use a seaweed based plant feed. It probably contains B12, how much, I don’t know.

  2. Meat contains protein-bound vitamin B12, but it’s not an ideal source for B12 for two main reasons:
    First, the protein-bound B12 in animal foods can be difficult to absorb. The free, or un-bound, crystalline form found in fortified plant foods is preferred because it’s more easily absorbed.
    Second, animal foods are not the best source because consuming them increases our levels of IGF-1 (a hormone consistently associated with increased cancer risk and tumor growth), TMAO (a substance that injures the lining of our blood vessels and promotes the formation of cholesterol plaques), as well as other unhealthy substances like heme iron, which is associated with oxidative stress and the formation of free radicals.

  3. The reason so many normal people have trouble debating against vegans is for the same reason normal people can’t debate Scientology with Scientologists. Only cultists know the intricacies and propaganda within their cult, and you can’t truly argue with vegan cultists unless you know their talking points. Most normal people have no idea what things like bioavailability are or how the water cycle naturally works in farming, so you can’t call vegans out on their bullshit when they say things like “it takes 500 gallons of water to produce a pound of meat” or “you can get just as much protein and nutrients from plants”.

    I’ve been vegan, which is why I don’t have this problem. I know all their propaganda, all their lies that they twist and distort to appear as truth, and most importantly I know all the nutrients found in meat that you can’t get from plants. You have to know the inner-linings of the cult to truly be able to argue against them.

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