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Why is Adam reading from a book that the Holy Spirit has not inspired. You can't use any extra biblical books for truth. You will fall into a ditch. Saint's beware, so that let him that thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall. Amen
brother (oh, we don’t even know!) i ask for your kind forgiveness. i never should have said anything you would see as mockery. besides the offense to you, for which breaks faith, God is not mocked. no matter how we may disagree, reverence is called for ha kadosh baruch hu is present by the blessed and powerful names we use.
reason is meaningless as regards God’s Truth, except as a man thinks, he will see. the Holy Spirit says what it hears? the Kingdom Of Heaven is hurt by men who do it violence? jerusalem is babylon? language fallen short of glory, we fail in our footprints. language can’t even relate experience, and even God chose not to speak but breathe the scripture
much less in writing, and so much oppression that birthed this baby and 1260 days of the filth of the beast, then what?
by their fruits… Word!
maybe we’re doing it to ourselves. so, we deserve it. if so, and we are deceived, then where on God’s earth is there justice?
i think you stop short. i want to challenge both of us because it’s God’s Will, i believe, and we will both be better for it, if not better off, but maybe better off too ❤️
⭕️ peace makers?
I feel like it’s saying that we are the stars…and based on Paul’s understanding and the understanding of Enoch, maybe the stars we see now, are our celestial and glorified bodies we have yet to receive. Maybe that’s why they “will fall to earth” as scripture says.
Hello "Parable of the Vineyard". One must understand that the "Book of Enoch" (1st Enoch) should not be viewed in a monolithic fashion. The Ethiopic form of the "book" handed down to us is instead a hodgepodge of different sub-books, some of which are likely more trustworthy than others. The oldest and arguably most trustworthy part, which is also the part from which Jude quotes, is the so-called "Book of Watchers" (chapters 1-36), noting that Jude especially quotes from 1:9, although chapters 6-19 are probably the "oldest" chapters of all.
On the other hand, chapters 37-71, aka the so-called "Book of Parables", one of the chapters of which (43) you are handling here, should be viewed as UNTRUSTWORTHY, as those 37-71 were almost certainly written after the Christian era began, have zero representation at Qumran, and also directly contradict the earlier "Book of Watchers" (and "canonical scripture") in several places. (See also my additional comments on some of those contradictions further below). And while scholars like JT Milik have suggested that the source of the "Book of Parables" was "Christian", to my own eye, a Gnostic or semi-Gnostic or "hermetic" source (or at the very best, a "clueless Christian" source) seems more likely.
As for the other parts of "1 Enoch", all of which are represented at least to some degree at Qumran, i.e., the "Astronomical Book" (chapters 72-82, the Qumran version of which is also longer than the Ethiopian); the "Book of Dreams" (chapters 83-90); the "Epistle of Enoch" (chapters 91-108) and, outside of "1 Enoch" in the Ethiopian text but probably affiliated with it at Qumran, the "Book of the Giants", those will have intermediate and varying degrees of "trustworthiness" depending on how high one desires to set one's bar. Because both the "Book of Dreams" (chapters 83-90) and the "Epistle of Enoch" (chapters 91-108) also contradict the older "Book of Watchers" to some extent, plus contain some other potential textual red flags in my view, I'd personally suggest that those too (like the "Book of Parables") be read with due scrutiny, especially if one is reading them for "personal religious" rather than purely historical purposes, as you seem to be doing here.
For anyone who hasn't read it, Milik's now-classic 1976 book describing in detail the Aramaic fragments of the Enochic materials found in Cave 4 at Qumran, as well as the later Ethiopic, etc, versions, is freely available online as a "flip book" (link provided below). Milik was an impressive scholar, fluent in an incredible array of languages, both ancient and modern, in a fashion that I've personally never seen matched by any other modern human being, self-described "biblical scholar" or otherwise. While on occasion it's easy and also quite rational to disagree with Milik on this or that point, his book on Enoch should nonetheless be required preparatory reading for anyone throwing up Enoch-related material here.
And beyond what Milik states in his now-classic book, which should ideally be read in its entirety, note specifically that within that (suspect) "Book of Parables" part of 1 Enoch you are handling here, specifically 1 Enoch 69:6, an angel/watcher named "Gâdreêl" is blamed for the act of having led Eve astray. Here's what 1 Enoch 69:6 states specifically:
"And the third was named Gâdreêl: he it is who showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed ⌈the weapons of death to the sons of men⌉ the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the children of men." (cf R.H. Charles' 1917 translation of 1 Enoch 69:6, with the "led astray Eve" part of the passage of course being the operative one here).
And that 1 Enoch 69:6 passage not only directly contradicts the more reliable, earlier text of 1 Enoch 8:1 (well represented at Qumran, and within the oldest known part of 1 Enoch), wherein it was Azâzêl (not "Gâdreêl") who "taught men to make swords, and daggers, and shields and breastplates", but believing in it also puts one into the exegetically untenable position of having to suggest that "Gâdreêl" = Genesis 3 serpent = devil = Satan (with a big "S") as part of one's "exegesis" of Rev. 20:2. So my suggestion is that one should actively avoid putting oneself into such an untenable position, as well as actively avoid all of the other obviously "hermetic" aspects of the so-called "Book of Parables" portion (Chapters 37-71) of 1 Enoch, including the Chapter 43 that you've decided to focus on here. Regards.
https://archive.org/details/MILIKEnochInAramaicQumranCave4/page/n1