Has the Second Coming Already Happened? A Historic and Biblical Review of Full Preterism ForYouTube



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Many believe that the second coming has already taken place and that we are now living in a post millennial reign world.

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  1. You are right on the mark David, thank you! First starting learning about Cecil Rhodes and the secret societies in 2015 from American Intelligence Media. They are called the “Pilgrims Society” and they controls the world’s banking and therefore all the countries. They are the old bloodlines. And they did infiltrate the Protestant movement and change the Bible.

  2. I had heard rumblings of this episode and finally tracked it down and watched it in its entirety… my thoughts are as follows:
    It is generally concerning when one attempts to debunk a perspective by appealing to the first authority to write it down. When many have reached a certain conclusion independent of the initial authority, or perhaps believe that a prior authority made the same point, it is worth hearing them out as independent voices distinct from the authority. This presentation is useful as a lineage of a certain ideology, but even as you state, these are mostly "secret society" type individuals and this information wasn't widely known/circulated. Most of us are only just now learning of this term Preterism because they are being told they hold those beliefs. This is not a topic that anyone gets together and is taught from a Jesuit handbook, these are, in many cases, the independent conclusions of Bible believing Christians/Protestants who have arrived at this conclusion through study and prayer. To dismiss them as being influenced by Jesuits is, as many have stated, a strawman argument.

    Furthermore, it is also generally concerning (especially when applying the aforementioned strawman tactic) that one attempts to debunk an argument without ever fully stating the argument they are debunking. While you mentioned a few select verses, and gave a generally well-thought out explanation against the basic premise (vis-a-vis the chronological timeline of events and authorship) I do not feel that anyone coming into this video without a prior and full understanding of "Preterist" eschatology will understand much of it. Only because I watched Shelly's video on the subject before watching this was I able to feel I had a fuller understanding, and was more equipped for this video. It is perhaps possible that you know your audience better than I do (this is my first NYSTV video) and speak to them according to information that is known to them. As someone who has only even heard of this word Preterism in the past week or two, to find that I fall under the partial-Preterist label, had I not done research prior to watching this video, I do not feel that I would have come away with an understanding of the belief and implications therein.

    You have brought useful context to a topic that I feel many of us are just becoming aware of, and through this context it's perhaps possible that we can make more informed decisions going forward, but it's also possible that the Jesuits poisoned the well by planting one seed of truth amongst a field of lies. The best way to deceive is to hold on to a bit of the truth so that the fool tosses it out with all the lies as well.

    You talk of Tartaria and Hidden Times but reject the Millennial Kingdom, and as someone who spent years going over the evidence of the prior before even putting together the pieces of the latter, it is clear to me now that anyone who holds on to the ideas of a Worldwide and Occluded Tartarian Empire while knowingly rejecting The Millennial Kingdom and Satan's Deception is simply deceived or worse yet, serving Satan.

    You are playing ball without the home team advantage by constantly using the Jesuits & Co. as your central point of reference. You submit to their words, their records, and their control – by virtue of holding them in historical esteem in this manner. You have handed the entire book of Revelation over to them, and by virtue of them giving one opinion on it, you have been forced to take the opposite position. Defining yourself in opposition to something is still being anaclitic on that thing.

    If you admit that times have been changed and histories covered up, yet claim that this one cannot be possible, merely because a single Jesuit touched the topic at one time, then simply you are controlled by the Jesuits by virtue of that fact. You must liberate your thinking from them entirely and read the scripture as a child. History can be important, but it shouldn't cause us to second guess what we read and believe. If history can be covered up and times changed, wouldn't the first history to be covered up by Jesuits and Satanists be the events of Revelation and the Millennial Kingdom? If those things did happen, the entire Bible can be cast into doubt by the erasure of the historic record of those things, which at the time would have been experienced by all, and would likely not need recording in the first place (assuming the pre-existence of prophecy prior to the purported events). I believe this is the central flaw in this presentation and it would be at least somewhat worthwhile to either have this discussion with any YouTuber who espouses beliefs similar to this or to even examine it as a hypothetical.

    In short, you set up a strawman by putting this belief totally under the purview of the Jesuits. You did not allow for alternate viewpoints to have any airtime. You hardly used scripture, rather history (which you admitted can be changed) to make your point. I did not get much value from this presentation, and had I not watched a few of the responses by people then I don't think I'd have really been able to get any value whatsoever. This felt like a hit-piece, and when a hit-piece is put out, it's often for the purposes of covering something up.

  3. Lost is the rhetorical art of being able to hold a concept in consideration without swallowing it whole-cloth. Once you make it personal, then you run the danger of defending erroneous doctrines. Never make it personal. Always reserve the right to be incorrect or have an incomplete understanding. Ultimately that is how you get people running around spreading doctrines such as preterism.

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